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Jul 2, 2012 22:02:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 22:02:54 GMT
Hi everyone since using Tenkara I had a spell when I was losing more fish than I had previously after one session when I lost 10 fish of the hook I had a good look at my hook when I got home under my Mag glass and found that the hook was just slightly opened up probably just enough to let the fish of the hook. I was using Tiemco 103bl which I had no problem with before when using rod and reel. So I changed my hooks and tried Tiemco 102y since then my loss rate has dropped dramatically and I now land most fish. I put it down to when using Tenkara that it is more of a stand up fight as the fish can only run so far and then you have just got to hang on or run down the bank. Has any one else found this problem or is it just me. Ian.R
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Jul 3, 2012 12:39:05 GMT
Post by custheyder on Jul 3, 2012 12:39:05 GMT
Opened hooks do let fish off more easily. I prefer hooks with a slightly turned in point so if they do open a fraction the point is still working for you.
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Jul 3, 2012 16:09:56 GMT
Post by paul1966 on Jul 3, 2012 16:09:56 GMT
I have been having a similar problem, I hadn't thought of the hooks, which it may be with me. I put it down to over reacting, when I'm tenkara fishing I'm so zoned in I feel I'm lifting too quickly into the fish. I'm quite often lifting before the fish has had a chance to turn. As has been said before on the forum we're in immediate contact with the fish with a T rod.
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Jul 5, 2012 16:53:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 16:53:00 GMT
Hi Paul 1966 it is definately not qgoing in to early with me it was definately the hooks I was using, if I were you I would try a stronger hook and see how you go on, I bet your hook up rate will improve, if you look at the hooks on the websites that show Tenkara flies they look strong hooks probably wet fly hooks or nymph hooks, tight lines. Regards Ian.R
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Jul 7, 2012 19:00:52 GMT
Post by leckie on Jul 7, 2012 19:00:52 GMT
coppernymph2, I don't agree with your assessment that tenkara flies are mostly tied on strong hooks....a lot of the traditional tenkara flies are tied on eyeles fine wire hooks....I got some from custheyder and they are really fine....I mean so thin you wouldn't think they would hold a 1lb wbt....but they sit an acute angle to the hook shaft but they penetrate deep with little force and are hard to beat when it comes to hooks ups....but they are eyeless and because I've only started tying my own flies I don't have many in my box at present....but I hope to remedy this in the near future
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Alex
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Jul 11, 2012 19:44:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 19:44:40 GMT
Hi Alex while Tenkara flies can be tied on fine wire hooks it depends where you fish in the river I fish it is common to catch decent size trout fish from 12ins to 20 ins can be caught regularly, and they are wild trout and turbocharged, caught in fast moving water, so fine wire hooks are chancy to use. So it depends where you fish if you fish on small streams where the size of fish is small you could probably get away with fine wire hooks, but most of the flies I have seen tied on the Internet on Tenkara USA and other sites don't look like fine wire hooks to me. Regards Ian.R
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Jul 11, 2012 20:47:26 GMT
Post by leckie on Jul 11, 2012 20:47:26 GMT
Ian.R, Yeah...you're dead right nearly all the internet sites show standard eyed hooks in their videos...I notice that in Jason Klass's latest fly tying video he is using an eyeless hook which looks more like the thin wire version that I was referring to....it would be interesting to find out what size of fish he catches on these flies.....I'm hoping to tie some flies on thin wire eyeles hooks in the near future but if I catch a fish of over a pound it will be a whopper on most of the rivers I fish....I'll need to head to the Tweed for the chance of a 20" wbt...I have a hunch that thin wire hooks will be stronger than you might imagine...but it's like all fishing you fish with what you feel comfortable with tight lines Alex
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Jul 11, 2012 21:15:23 GMT
Post by custheyder on Jul 11, 2012 21:15:23 GMT
Jason has eyeless hooks I supplied him both the Gamakatsu and the Gossen. These are not your standard western fine wire hooks. The temper is different and they are not as springy and prone to opening. The are designed to catch aggressive Ayu in fast moving water and do seem to be stronger than an equivalent western fine wire hook. The extra bend in the shank I believe helps rotate the when you tighten on the fish which levers the fish further round the bend and, as Alex will attest, the hold very well indeed. I also think that a slightly stiffer loop acts like a buffer to prevent fish workin g the hook loose as they dart about. I've put more of my thoughts in this article.Cust
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