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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 13:33:11 GMT
I have been reading about and looking at various tyings of kebari flies. My biggest problem is trying to determine the hackle length. To me it does seem to vary quite a bit. Anyhow I have tied up three, not my best work but I would be grateful for any criticisms please. thank you |
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Post by toneman on Jan 17, 2016 16:27:04 GMT
I would JOHN Pearson or Paul Gaskell at discover Tenkara . They seem to be closest to "true Tenkara " but that is my personal view. Others may disagree!
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Post by toneman on Jan 17, 2016 16:28:29 GMT
That was "contact" Was watching rugby at the same time ! Lol
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Post by dbl on Jan 17, 2016 18:20:53 GMT
Probably the most "authentic" tyings are those shown on the Japanese website "My Best Streams". I and others have referenced it before, so apologies if you are already aware of it! www.hi-ho.ne.jp/amago/b-streams/flytying/tenkara.htmlJason Klass has this guide: www.tenkaratalk.com/2011/08/a-beginners-guide-to-tying-tenkara-flies/John and Paul have sections on tying Tenkara flies in their DVDs.Chris Stewart (Tenkara Bum) has pictures of his work on hi site. Tenkara USA has some videos on the subject, but some of them occasion raised eyebrows on this side of the Atlantic... For what it's worth: I think the first fly has the hackle a bit too far forward. I would be surprised if you didn't catch fish on the third (Takayama?) one! By the way, sakasa kebari (sakasa: hackle swept forward) are not the only style used in Japan. As you can see on My Best Streams both spider types and dry flies are "authentic". Again, the best info is probably from John and Paul who have drunk from the source(s) more than once! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 18:58:54 GMT
Thank you dbi. That is a great help.
David
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Post by adric on Jan 17, 2016 20:42:55 GMT
Hi David
Of the three flies I think the 3rd one is about right. The middle one, I would say, has a too long hackle but I think it depends on personal preference. My impression is that the style of a tenkara fly depends to a large extent on the personal preference of the person tying the fly.
I hope this helps
Richard
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Post by captainpurple on Mar 5, 2018 20:25:58 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but thought I would comment.
Out of the three flies there I would be least likely to fish the 3rd one (but like adric says above - its possibly the closest to a "traditional" style tenkara fly).
When I'm tying Tenkara flies, I treat them like spiders. I typically use bird feathers for my hackle. I never (or should I say - have not so far) use cock hackles, although I have seen these being used by a number of people. I have also seen deer hair being used - I can see why people would do both - Deer hair can help maintain the structure of the hackle, stiffer cock hackles will present differently to perhaps more mobile fibres such as Partridge, Starling etc. I have to say, I am still not convinced about the 1 fly strategy that many Tenkara anglers use. I would say however that I am far more restrictive in my choice of pattern - I could narrow down to about 4 or 5 patterns. One thing that I would say is that I really have no issue with fishing with a long hackle. I like long, sparse fibres in my tyings and I have confidence in them. I do the same with standard spiders. My general rule of thumb is - if the hackle is longer than the length of the hook - then it is too long.
Out of your flies, my choice would be number 2.
Cheers,
CP
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Post by springerman on Mar 6, 2018 9:45:12 GMT
Thought I would mention JP's new DVD on "Complete Kebari Collection. For those wishing to tie authentic Kebari there is no better product on the market. As you will probably know both Paul & JP have been to the very source of the Tenkara world. He explains everything in simple detail and the quality is, as ever, fist class. At £19.99 well worth it.
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Post by orangeotter on Mar 10, 2018 14:47:00 GMT
HI David, good points by the other guys but for me, no.3 is best for the form of a sekasa kebari.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 20:22:02 GMT
HI David, good points by the other guys but for me, no.3 is best for the form of a sekasa kebari. Thank you for your comments. Although I still enjoy tying Sakasa Kebari I have reverted to concentrating my fixed line fly fishing with nymphs and midge patterns (pupa and larva). I no longer drive so most of the rivers/streams suitable for tenkara are no longer available to me. I am now restricted to the slow deep rivers and the Gloucester Sharpness canal, near where I live. A challenge to put it mildly but an interesting one.As they say, “Watch this space!”. David ( formerly dsr1) |
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Post by orangeotter on Jul 12, 2018 13:02:27 GMT
Sorry to hear about your lack of mobility David but I'm sure you'll have fun on the slower waters, presumably for coarse fish.Alongside my Welsh Dee runs the Llangollen canal which has a good head of fish - I intend to give it a try when the river is out of order.
Good luck, Louis
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