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Post by adric on Aug 21, 2012 20:48:35 GMT
Reading through this discussion it seams to me that the way forward for most of us is to present it as another arrow in our armoury against the wild trout ect.
This is my opinion and the way I approach tenkara
Richard
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Post by myotis on Aug 21, 2012 21:12:25 GMT
Reading through this discussion it seams to me that the way forward for most of us is to present it as another arrow in our armoury against the wild trout ect. This is my opinion and the way I approach tenkara It certainly seems it should be play an important part in how it is presented. Graham
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 5:41:03 GMT
The Tenkara style is exactly that, a tool to use for wild trout in streams and small rivers. However i would never use my Tenkara rod on a day visit to my local stocked reservoir. If i want to plant a 3 buzzer rig far out from the shore then conventional tackle is my weapon of choice. I would not take my beach casting kit to fish the Don so why would i use my Tenkara kit other than where it is effective. The 'us and them' mentality that sometimes shows on here needs to be reigned in, and as has been said previously those that want Tenkara banned simply don't understand it's place in the weaponry of fishermen. The most important way forward is in educating people on it's benefits and application. There are those on this site that have the time, resource and background to help Tenkara be accepted. I wonder what the Wild Trout Trust think of a barbless hook and catch and release program featuring Tenkara fishing?
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Post by Paul G on Aug 22, 2012 12:23:39 GMT
Interestingly, there seems to be a disproportionately high share of us in the WTT (including the board of trustees, the exec committee, staff and Vice presidents) who own tenkara rods as well as our western gear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 15:03:09 GMT
Are the WTT contacting fisheries and estates to discuss Tenkara bans? I'm sure that some of the anti brigade are WTT members.... An opportunity for education and reconciliation perhaps brokered by the WTT... that can only be positive for all parties
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 16:33:31 GMT
I dont really see what the wtt has to do with the rules set by clubs, fishery owners whoever runs the a fishery. Why should the wtt support tenkara, is that what the trust is for ?
If fisheries dont want tenkara on their waters then they can ban it, just fish elsewhere. Ive tried without success to get permission to fly fish on coarse waters, its their loss i feel but its up to them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 16:36:01 GMT
See paulg's post above and ask the question again ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 16:41:33 GMT
I have read it, this has nothing to do with trout welfare.
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Post by JP on Aug 22, 2012 18:27:51 GMT
I think the subject of fish welfare has been used as an excuse for banning tenkara (I've certainly heard rumours of arguments to this effect re the Wharfe at Bolton Abbey). The fact that the WTT has a disproportionate percentage of tenkara anglers amongst its ranks perhaps suggests that this line of argument for bans is baseless? I don't think you'll ever see the WTT taking up the challenge of educating clubs or overturning tenkara bans... it's simply not in their job description and, as a charity, they have to account for all their activities and expenditure. I agree with thetroutfly that fishing clubs are free to ban whatever they like. There are plenty of fly fishing rivers with no lure rules or dry fly only etc... I wouldn't really want to be part of a club that didn't allow tenkara... fingers crossed none of the clubs I'm currently in go down that road
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Post by JP on Aug 22, 2012 18:36:47 GMT
On a more positive note I went out for a fish with Steve Cullen (editor of Total Flyfisher) today.
I took only my tenkara gear and managed to get Steve to have a proper go. I don't think he's going to hang up his regular rods just yet but he did have fun.
Just as we were saying our goodbyes he did admit that he may be making a tenkara purchase quite soon.
Steve has asked Paul G and me to produce a tenkara feature for the magazine to go out in a couple of months. If it goes down well with readers there may be a possibility of a regular tenkara spot in TFF next year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 11:22:15 GMT
Looking more into the what is or isn't tenkara discussion I've found a number of arguments that "you don't need a tenkara rod to fish tenkara". Looking at the various techniques of tenkara fishing it would appear that you don't need a tenkara rod to fish tenkara, it may well be the best tool for the job but it's not essential. Is tenkara defined by the equipment you use, does it have to be designed specifically for the job or is tenkara about the technique of fly presentation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 12:17:54 GMT
My grandson has been "Tenkara" fishing with me twice,. with one of my shorter level line rigs tied to the first ring on his conventional fly rod . 2 bites first time and a small WBT landed the second ....
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Post by myotis on Aug 24, 2012 12:33:30 GMT
Looking more into the what is or isn't tenkara discussion I've found a number of arguments that "you don't need a tenkara rod to fish tenkara".? One of those arguments may have come from me. Although there seems to have been several techniques used in the mountain regions of Japan. If you look at the videos, and comments, from modern recreational Tenkara anglers, they all use essentially the same technique. Fixed line held off the water with a subsurface fly constantly pulsed or twitched. Indeed if you suggest that other techniques are also Tenkara, because they use the same equipment and come from the Japanese mountains, but use more than one fly, or a float, you are told that isn't Tenkara. As none of our fly fishing techniques are defined by the rod, even though some techniques benefit from specific rod characteristics, it makes sense to me to define Tenkara in terms of the technique, and then say that it works best with a very long, lightweight rod that traditionally doesn't use a reel. Graham
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 12:52:33 GMT
I agree Graham, it makes more sense to me when discussing what is or isn't tenkara to be talking in terms of technique. I can fish streamers or heavy lures on my 7' #3 if I adjust my casting but I'd rather be using my 9' #6 as it makes casting heavy flies much easier. I can also fish czech nymphs effectively using an 8' rod but the technique benefits from the extra length and control of my 10'er.
In my tenkara fishing I'm loosely going for the "One Fly" approach as it makes sense to me learn the technique from this perspective. Looking at it as a technique means you can pretty much use whatever you have available and as long as the technique is correct then you are fishing tenkara.
Probably when tenkara began the equipment wasn't as refined as what we have available today but the technique must surely have been the same.
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