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Post by Simon on Feb 26, 2012 7:40:51 GMT
Another selection tied last weekend, all used this past weekend, yet to bring a fish to hand. What is the view on the length of the forward facing hackle. I'm tending to tie them long? The flies are Tenkara inspired variants of classic British spiders. Simon.
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Post by custheyder on Feb 26, 2012 8:01:15 GMT
Lovely looking flies. I like to tie with a hackle slightly longer than the hook when pulled back. As soon as the season starts I'll do some experimenting.
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Post by leckie on Feb 26, 2012 20:50:44 GMT
Simon, Very nice looking flies indeed....What size of hook are they tied on The smaller the hook size the larger the hackle will be in proportion to its overall size...but I think that's good...longer hackles make it easier for us to see when fishing them as drys and more pulsating action when fished wet...win win for me as long as nothing is vastly out of proportion. Alex
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Post by pedros on Feb 27, 2012 11:43:32 GMT
Simon,
I'm with Custheyder on my preferred length of hackle. Similar to the red ones I suppose. However, I'm sure the fish will decide.
Did catch a couple to traditional spider patterns yesterday so should be worth a try pretty soon...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 0:39:35 GMT
Simon, very nice. I don't think any of the hackles in that photo are what I would consider "too long", though like others, I usually tie a length similar to the red ones. longer hackle provides more movement, but it can also provide more buoyancy and hinder the fly's ability to sink. So I like to try to strike a balance.
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Post by custheyder on Mar 2, 2012 10:55:35 GMT
Tied too "bushy" and they don't get down well either. Yet another balancing act. Too sparse and 3 fish later there's no hackle. Too much hackle and they don;t get down enough to take those 3 fish.
...I still like the look of your flies tough Simon.
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Post by orangeotter on Mar 5, 2012 16:50:35 GMT
They look very good to me Simon, it seems that we all prefer the red length.
Cheers,
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Post by srv on Mar 14, 2012 18:37:34 GMT
Hi simon.This is my first reply/post.I haven't used the t rod yet and am interested in the way you tied these flies.Is the idea of the forward hackle something to do with using the tenkara technique of fishing ,or is it just a japanese way of tying.I have no doubt that if I put a team of those flies on a normal fly rod fishing for wild brownies here in Ireland,they would work just as well as the trad spider patterns.I hope to be fishing for the first time using tenkara on the 19th march.I know it is early season but I will be bringing my normal gear ie(2 kids,3 fly rods)and for the first time the t rod.Is it possible to use the czech nymphing technique with the Iwana?I am going off on a tangent now.Sorry!!Anyway,nice flies!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 9:52:29 GMT
Hi All, Simon, I'm regularly cathing trout and grayling on a Saska Kebari Pheasant Tail tied on a #14 Partridge Traditional Spider hook with hackle the same length as yours. I have also had success using them with a rod, reel and fly line. As an aside we need a word to describe fishing with a western set up ...rod, reel & line. "normal" and "traditional" imply that Tenkara is "abnormal" SRV, Czech nymphing style works fine with a Tenkara rod but a pair of spiders feels more in keeping. For more information on Japanese style flies have a look at www.tenkarabum.com/ , here you will find step by step instructions for many flies. Cheers Bill
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 8:58:53 GMT
Gentlemen i haven't used the tenkara style flies yet so cant comment. What i have been using though are a type of long hackled partridge & orange, partridge & yellow & snipe & purple variant called a "Jingler". I got these off a scottish river guide called John Maclennan at last years newark shootin show. I was sceptical at first of the overly long hackle. (upto 3 times hook length) The fish on the Tweed & Derbyshire derwent have had no such reservations and hammered them. When i find my camera lead i'll post a few pictures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 20:56:26 GMT
Hi Stevie,
I would like to see the Jingler as I fish most weeks on the Tweed. I have used Partridge and orange and snipe and purple on most of the upper parts of the Tweed for several years , However I would be keen to try the "Jingler" Looking forward to some pics and some instructions..
Tight lines
Buglife
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 21:46:45 GMT
Hi buglife.
If you fish the tweed you'll know the border gun room at Newtown St Boswells. The last jinglers i bought were from there. a local fellow ties them. Dont know how true this is but i was told they were a local secret? I have caught lots of brown & sea trout on them in both scottish rivers & highland lochs. They can be ginked up and fished dry or fish them as a wet across & down style. My last trip to the tweed was in september 2011 at Sprouston just outside the lovely town of Kelso, I hope to get up soon & fish that stretch with the Tenkara rod & a team of "jinglers"
I'll have a hunt round the house tomorrow for my camera lead & post some pictures.
All the best
stevie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 10:57:51 GMT
Hi Stevie,
Thanks for the post I look forward to seeing the "Secret Jinglers" pictures..
Tight lines
Buglife
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 10:14:12 GMT
Buglife.
Tried to post pictures last night & failed, I have the IT skills of a 3 year old so when i do eventually figure out how to i,ll add them to this thread. Dont hold your breath though, because until last year i couldn't turn a laptop on & im a slow learner.
Regards stevie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 11:45:45 GMT
Hi Stevie, No worries, Computer, if people spent more time fishing than spending time on computers the world would be a more mellow place.. I too have been strugling with posting pics, I believe they call it being a techophobe. Good luck with the picture uploads Tight lines Buglife
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